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- From: chall@clover.cleaf.com (Chris Hall)
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- Subject: Re: A4000 HD Drive, FORGET IT!
- Date: 13 Jan 1996 09:16:34 GMT
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- Ross Deeley (rossdee@inhb.co.nz) wrote:
-
- : True, if you can get them... (quads seem to be taking over the market.)
-
- You can get 2X CDROMs all day for under a hundred. With so many 4X CDROMs
- available and the new 6X ones, it's a matter of time before the 4X ones
- are in the same range as 2X ones now.
-
-
- : THe files can be downloaded from my BBS, but only about half the club
- : members have modems, and some of them only have 2400.
-
- It sounds like your club needs to start a drive to get all the users with
- modems. If your club were to find some distributer that would sell you a
- bunch of modems at a cheaper rate, you could get everyone in the club to
- chip in on them. Things like this are part of what clubs are about.
-
- Besides, if they are too cheap to get a modem, don't you think they would
- be too cheap to buy a new computer? I never said that they should stop
- putting software on floppy for floppy only users.
-
-
- : What I was getting at was that there is not much shareware/pd stuff that
- : has archives too big to be put on floppy, and that floppies will continue
- : to be used for some time for transfer of such.
-
- What I'm getting at is that floppies can transfer very little data at one
- time, if you are looking at moving over 15MB, it turns into a major
- operation. When friends come over to copy recent stuff, we usually
- transfer over 20 megs. That's why we all have Zips.
-
-
- : It really has to be compatible with existing external floppy drives, as a
- : large percentage of amiga buyers are existing amiga owners with the usual
- : 500 1 meg 2 drives system, thus they can just use their old external drive.
-
- There isn't a problem with that. Even a SCSI2Floppy adapter could be
- compatible with old drives.
-
-
- : Why not just leave the flopy drives to the 3rd party suppliers? (They
- : did that before when they dropped the 1011)
-
- Now your starting to understand.
-
-
- : ON the contrary it has a slower percentage turnover of new machines tyhan
- : the clone market.
-
- Again, I never said that they should stop the floppy distribution of
- software that works on old machine, they should just add CDROM as an
- option for the software buyer. You could buy it on many floppies and I
- could buy it on one CD.
-
-
- : Dont forget a lot of the software was made before the buyout, and isnt
- : being made any more.
-
- If the software company still exists, then they could redistibute their
- software on CD or just rely on the fact that anyone that needs a floppy
- can get them for their old software. If the software company doesn't
- exist, their software should be considered dead (unsupported). Games
- shouldn't even be considered because you play them for a few weeks or
- months then put them away.
-
-
- : Its still a cost (I spose about $50 (well its $75NZ which is about that)
- : and with much of the PC market depenedant upon pricing, I am surprised
- : nobody has tried loosing the floppy as standard. (Of course the fact
- : that the CDROM drivers still have to be put on the hard drive from floppy
- : in the first place might have something to do with it.
-
- Clone makers only pay about $20-$25 for HD floppies in bulk. I can run to
- a local shop and buy one retail for $30. Give them time, they will loose
- it soon.
-
-
- : A lot of people have upgraded to WB2.x (and in some cases hard drives),
- : and having spent their money are not likely to upgrade again for a couple
- : of years.
-
- So they aren't spending their money in the market, let's consider them
- non-buyers. In other words, they wouldn't get this machine we are talking
- about and any features on it or lack of features shouldn't be a problem
- to them. Would you worry about what features are in the latest model of a car
- that your not going to buy?
-
-
- : No reason why floppy versions should be lower featured if its going to
- : install on hard drive. (Of course a DTP package might not have as much
- : clip art or fonts, but thats not a program feature...
-
- It's a matter of 880k vs 650MB. 650MB had room for a lot more features in
- software, more levels and better sound & graphics in games.
-
-
- : Still a lot more expensive if your dealing with small sales (I do know
- : the guys who run a small software company that makes both CD and floppy
- : software)
-
- It doesn't seem to be a problem with them if they are shipping on CD. All
- companies have expenses, shipping on CD is just another expense that a
- software company has to look at.
-
-
- : As I say it depends on how many they are going to make (it may be a niche
- : market, or limited to a particular country (like accounting software)...
-
- Why can't they update over modem or simply state that their software
- requires a floppy. If someone needs their software they will get a floppy.
-
-
- : I wonder how many shareware authors make money. JohnV didnt get much regs
- : for VC...
-
- Some people do well, some don't. VC was freeware before he went to
- shareware, that's why he didn't make money with it. Remember the bitching
- about when AmiTCP went to payware? Besides, the Amiga market isn't used
- to paying for things like virus checkers, blankers and such. Why pay for
- something when you can just download a freeware program that does the
- same thing?
-
-
- : I hear they are breaking on the new AT 1200's anyway...
-
- Because the programmers didn't follow the rules.
-
-
- : Are they still making 170Meg hard drives? How long before AT runs outa
- : them and has to buy some more expensive ones.
-
- If 170MB 2.5" drives aren't in production, the next larger drive will
- drop in price to fill it's spot.
-
-
-
-
- Chris Hall
-
-